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Sussex Police count the cost of a weekend of protests in Brighton and Hove - The Argus.co.uk

Sussex Police count the cost of a weekend of protests in Brighton and Hove - The Argus.co.uk

Sussex Police count the cost of a weekend of protests in Brighton and Hove

Police are counting the cost of one of their biggest ever weekends.

An operation to escort a march by anti-arms protesters yesterday (June 4) followed what was believed to be the single biggest deployment of officers in recent memory on Saturday, June 2.

Sussex Police refused to be drawn on exact figures but the bill for similar events in the past indicate the costs of the two operations could easily reach half a million pounds.

About 100 officers were sent onto the street, yesterday to police a Smash EDO demonstration in Brighton while more were held in reserve.

Officers from Hampshire and Surrey were brought to the city to support the operation, as well as police horses supplied from outside Sussex.

On Saturday officers from forces as far away as Warwickshire were brought to Brighton in case of large-scale trouble.

Very often police resources deter people from doing things. I’m not saying that’s the case here – we don’t know what we’ve deterred

Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett

Police had feared hundreds of supporters of the far-right English Defence League would come to the city and clash with anti-fascist protesters.

An anti-Jubilee street party by Brighton Uncut also raised the prospect of difficulties, following lengthy stand-offs at previous events which involved the invasion of shops.

Split groups

In the end officers said about 100 nationalists were out and about in Brighton and Hove.

They did not form a single group, but about 70 anti-fascist activists challenged them on the streets.

A total of 18 people were arrested. A group of about 30 were eventually escorted to Brighton Station to leave the city.

Sussex Police said it stood down some officers on both days when it became clear there were fewer people to deal with than they had planned for.

On Saturday onlookers, Unite Against Fascism and nationalists alike criticised the police for putting so many officers on the street.

Senior officers said they did not know the total cost of the demonstrations yesterday.

Costly operation

The force denied claims that 800 officers were involved on Saturday but said the operation was likely to have been the biggest in recent memory.

In 2010 putting 200 officers on the street because of a Brighton Uncut protest at Top Shop was said have cost the force a “six figure” sum.

A Smash EDO march on May Day 2009, which included officers being sent in support from forces elsewhere in the country, cost £560,000 once Bank Holiday overtime payments were claimed.

Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett praised event organisers and protesters for working with police.

He said: “We have had an incredibly busy weekend.

“That has meant there has been very little disruption in the city.

“The resources for big events are based on very careful threat assessments and understanding of what’s required to keep people safe.

“Very often police resources deter people from doing things. I’m not saying that’s the case here – we don’t know what we’ve deterred.

“What was anticipated was needed was what was put out on both days.

“As soon as that assessment changed resources were stood down and people went off duty when they were no longer needed.”

Comments(23)

HOVEPARKRESIDENT says...
2:40pm Tue 5 Jun 12

It's nice to know my council tax is being spent so wisely. HOVEPARKRESIDENT

emma barnes says...
3:33pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Sussex Police ‏@sussex_police @brightonargus @SussexCrime Your report on costs is unfair and likely to be inaccurate. We did not 'refuse to be drawn' on costs but did say we'd be happy to share them for public scrutiny later in week when they're fully collated and accurate. emma barnes

pwlr1966 says...
3:49pm Tue 5 Jun 12

sussex police count the cost!!!, what about every law abiding tax payer in Brighton & Hove. Ban these wasteful & pointless marches pwlr1966

billy goat-gruff says...
4:46pm Tue 5 Jun 12

I was in the town centre on Saturday - I saw plenty of police, including about six horses, but not a single demonstrator… I'm sure the police love a day out like this with plenty of overtime at the end of it! Complete over-reaction! billy goat-gruff

voiceofthescoombe says...
4:52pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Unfortunatly smash edo dont talk to the police about there plans because that would be giving into facism. uk Uncut very similar. Dont even think casuals united have an offical spokesman. muslamic rayguns taking back england wahhh. Isnt really helpful in planning the police response. Police dont put boots on the street and it kicks off they get the blame. Spend the cash and nothing happens they over reacted. voiceofthescoombe

roadkillchicken says...
5:16pm Tue 5 Jun 12

This comes from a reporter who never has anything positive to say about the police. The police are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't. roadkillchicken

Alan G Skinner says...
5:33pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Every other Government Department has been forced to cut costs to the obvious detrement in quality in the service provided the Police should be no different. It is scandalous the Officers are being paid overtime, they should'nt be. They should introduce a system whereby the Force buy hours from the officers and when they are required to do "overtime", they have to do it. Equally on very quiet days, officers should sent home early when they are not busy or not required so the force can bank those hours and make officers work when required. Personally i think Police should be treated better, but I think all our public servants should be treated better and the Police must be treated the same as everyone else. No overtime for Police. Alan G Skinner

rolivan says...
5:44pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Maybe the protesters were too tired after their night out at the Amex rolivan

Alan G Skinner says...
5:48pm Tue 5 Jun 12

"Very often police resources deter people from doing things. I’m not saying that’s the case here – we don’t know what we’ve deterred" Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett. "Very often police resources encourage people to do things", it gives would be aggressors someone to fight. I wonder what would have happened if no Police had turned up. Probably nothing. If a tree falls in the forest but there is nobody to here it, does it make a noise? Eighteen arrested, if there had been no Police on the steets, there would have been no arrests. Arresting people who will not get custodial sentances is a waste of time and not in the public interest. Alan G Skinner

Busterblister says...
6:00pm Tue 5 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Every other Government Department has been forced to cut costs to the obvious detrement in quality in the service provided the Police should be no different. It is scandalous the Officers are being paid overtime, they should'nt be. They should introduce a system whereby the Force buy hours from the officers and when they are required to do "overtime", they have to do it. Equally on very quiet days, officers should sent home early when they are not busy or not required so the force can bank those hours and make officers work when required. Personally i think Police should be treated better, but I think all our public servants should be treated better and the Police must be treated the same as everyone else. No overtime for Police.[/p][/quote]Are you being serious? Busterblister

Busterblister says...
6:01pm Tue 5 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: "Very often police resources deter people from doing things. I’m not saying that’s the case here – we don’t know what we’ve deterred" Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett. "Very often police resources encourage people to do things", it gives would be aggressors someone to fight. I wonder what would have happened if no Police had turned up. Probably nothing. If a tree falls in the forest but there is nobody to here it, does it make a noise? Eighteen arrested, if there had been no Police on the steets, there would have been no arrests. Arresting people who will not get custodial sentances is a waste of time and not in the public interest.[/p][/quote]I think you're right. The same principle applies to nuclear weapons - we spend all that money on them and we never use them. So why bother in the first place? Busterblister

D360 says...
6:27pm Tue 5 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: Every other Government Department has been forced to cut costs to the obvious detrement in quality in the service provided the Police should be no different. It is scandalous the Officers are being paid overtime, they should'nt be. They should introduce a system whereby the Force buy hours from the officers and when they are required to do "overtime", they have to do it. Equally on very quiet days, officers should sent home early when they are not busy or not required so the force can bank those hours and make officers work when required. Personally i think Police should be treated better, but I think all our public servants should be treated better and the Police must be treated the same as everyone else. No overtime for Police.[/p][/quote]No overtime? So you did read earlier in the week that the police were being brought in on their days of to babysit all the idiots this weekend? Maybe they should do it for free? Get some perspective or pipe down. Smash EDO, UAF have caused chaos in the past, of course a large presence is needed and this will continue as long as protesting in Brighton is the fashionable thing to do D360

Joe Average says...
6:28pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Yeah Burst a blister we should use them. Joe Average

D360 says...
6:29pm Tue 5 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: "Very often police resources deter people from doing things. I’m not saying that’s the case here – we don’t know what we’ve deterred" Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett. "Very often police resources encourage people to do things", it gives would be aggressors someone to fight. I wonder what would have happened if no Police had turned up. Probably nothing. If a tree falls in the forest but there is nobody to here it, does it make a noise? Eighteen arrested, if there had been no Police on the steets, there would have been no arrests. Arresting people who will not get custodial sentances is a waste of time and not in the public interest.[/p][/quote]I take it you don't live in Brighton and weren't here for march for England and the previous smash EDO "smash up the city" so-called protests D360

Joe Average says...
6:29pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Yeah Burst a blister we should use them. Joe Average

Joe Average says...
6:41pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Apols for the duplication. Joe Average

Joe Average says...
6:45pm Tue 5 Jun 12

"Very often police resources deter people from doing things. I’m not saying that’s the case here – we don’t know what we’ve deterred Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett" Isn't that a bit like " As we know, There are known knowns. There are things we know we know. We also know There are known unknowns. That is to say We know there are some things We do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns, The ones we don't know We don't know". Donald Rumsfeld Joe Average

mimseycal says...
6:50pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Charge the protesters ... give them the bill for all the overtime their little jollies occasion. Simple really. mimseycal

mimseycal says...
6:53pm Tue 5 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]emma barnes[/bold] wrote: Sussex Police ‏@sussex_police @brightonargus @SussexCrime Your report on costs is unfair and likely to be inaccurate. We did not 'refuse to be drawn' on costs but did say we'd be happy to share them for public scrutiny later in week when they're fully collated and accurate.[/p][/quote]I think most reasonable readers are aware of that Emma Barnes. It is just that stating in the article that the police will let the public know how much it all cost when the sums have been calculated doesn't make for sensationalist journalism ;) mimseycal

Tttoommy says...
6:55pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Why don't the Police "service" do something rather than stand by until it goes "too far" - turn the water cannon on them or tear gas them just like france, holland, germany, greece etc etc Tttoommy

D360 says...
7:13pm Tue 5 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Tttoommy[/bold] wrote: Why don't the Police "service" do something rather than stand by until it goes "too far" - turn the water cannon on them or tear gas them just like france, holland, germany, greece etc etc[/p][/quote]perhaps because it didn't kick off at the weekend and there would have been no need to?! D360

Alan G Skinner says...
7:32pm Tue 5 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]D360[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alan G Skinner[/bold] wrote: "Very often police resources deter people from doing things. I’m not saying that’s the case here – we don’t know what we’ve deterred" Chief Superintendent Graham Bartlett. "Very often police resources encourage people to do things", it gives would be aggressors someone to fight. I wonder what would have happened if no Police had turned up. Probably nothing. If a tree falls in the forest but there is nobody to here it, does it make a noise? Eighteen arrested, if there had been no Police on the steets, there would have been no arrests. Arresting people who will not get custodial sentances is a waste of time and not in the public interest.[/p][/quote]I take it you don't live in Brighton and weren't here for march for England and the previous smash EDO "smash up the city" so-called protests[/p][/quote]Actually, unlike most "Brightonians" ie from everywhere apart from Brighton, I have lived in Brighton since 1980, the year of my birth. Alan G Skinner

Robbadob says...
10:49pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Pubs were told to hire security for the day and ask tourists if they were EDL, all the protests mentioned cooperated with the police. The article is misleading in that the majority of the costs were not the result of any protesting but the visit of between fifty and one hundred far right intent on revenge after the March for England. Robbadob

Source: www.theargus.co.uk

Sussex County facing 'dramatic shortage' of physicians - Delaware Wave

MILLSBORO -- Marya Grier moved to Millsboro from New Jersey in November, and one of her top priorities was to find a primary care physician.

Although Grier, 70 and on Medicare, is on medication and needs to be monitored by a doctor regularly, she's been struggling to find care. One doctor cut back on his practice and another said it would be a six-month wait for an appointment.

For now, she's continuing to make the three-hour trek to see her doctor in New Jersey.

"It's kind of upsetting in a way," she said. "I'm certainly not in any dire straits, but if I had any issues with the medication, who would I go to? My only option is to go to Jersey, but that's a day trip and that's expensive."

Sussex County is considered a medically underserved area by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

According to the University of Wisconsin's Population Health Institute and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation's County Health Rankings, Sussex County has 157 primary care physicians and a population to primary care physician ratio of 1,208-to-1. The same figure in New Castle County is 806-to-1, while the national benchmark that has been set is at 631-to-1.

"In a perfect world, we would have at least one doctor to every 630 patients," said Megan Williams, director of Population Health at Beebe Medical Center. "The idea there is that if we had a provider for every 630 patients, (the provider) would have ample time, knowledge and resources to provide robust primary care for their patients."

Williams said one reason the county has "a pretty dramatic shortage of primary care providers in the area" is its rural setting.

"We don't necessarily have medical education or a medical school here in Delaware, or certainly close to Sussex County," she said. "By virtue of that, we don't have folks who are doing a lot of their training and education here. Right out of the gate, that puts us at a disadvantage."

Kelly Griffin, director of marketing and communications at Beebe, said the wait for a someone who uses the center's physician referral line to seek primary care is usually two to three months. More than 200 local physicians who are affiliated with Beebe and deal with family practice and internal medicine are on the list.

"Often we can help, but it depends on whether they want to travel a little bit further," she said.

Beebe actively recruits for additional primary care physicians. Marilyn Hill, director of physician services, said there are fewer people who aspire for physician positions, for a number of reasons, including the high costs to get to that point.

"It's difficult to entice people to go into it," she said. "It's very expensive to go through medical school, residency and fellowship training. You have to have a passion for it and want to do it for the right reasons."

Hill said when she recruits, she tries to promote the workplace community and the local community and focuses on the positives.

Grier said she believes the wait is so long because many local doctors are retiring and no one is taking their place.

Sussex County Administrator Todd Lawson said while there are no marketing plans at this time to bring more physicians into Sussex County, discussions with Beebe and Nanticoke Health Services have taken place with that in mind.

"We all recognize the fact that health care and our health care industry locally is being stretched right now with our population shifts, so we need to plan for that," he said.

Lawson said despite having the beach and the infrastructure, as well as being two hours away from three metropolitan areas, the county is having issues attracting the talent.

"Getting those young professionals in here is a challenge," he said. "We've had many discussions on how to combat that. I don't have an answer that we have a plan in place, but we recognize the issue."

As for Grier, she is still undecided about what she will do.

"I'm sort of hanging on the edge as to what I'm going to do next," she said.

On Twitter @JonBleiweis


Source: www.delmarvanow.com

Sussex schoolgirl puts Olympic Velodrome through its paces - Chichester Observer

BARNHAM schoolgirl Megan Lewis has returned from a successful experience which saw her selected to represent the south east at the Sainsbury’s UK 2012 School Games.

Lewis, 14, attends St Philip Howard Catholic High School and trains with Reading-based Palmer Park Velo Cycling Club.

The games were a multi-sport event for the UK’s elite young athletes and were held in the Olympic Park.

The competition aimed to mirror the Olympic and Paralympic Games, complete with opening and closing ceremonies, featuring around 1,800 of the nation’s finest young sports stars.

Lewis, who lives in Rustington, competed in three days of tough competition – two at Redbridge Cycling Centre and one at the Olympic Velodrome and the south east team picked up two gold medals and several other high places. On day one in the crit eliminator, the riders raced over a four-lap 500m course with tight technical bends and a steep climb and bend towards the finish line.

There was also a 40k race, in which Lewis started well but was then plagued by punctures and mechanical problems.

The next day, the south east team set the early pace in the team time trial, before finishing in fifth place.

Lewis was in action at the Olympic Velodrome the next day and a polished performance saw her finish runner-up in the minor final.

She then teamed up with 15-year-old Abigail van Twisk and the pair finished fifth.

She is now looking forward to the road and track season and is hoping to represent the south east at the inter-regional track competition in September.

Also ahead is the chance to ride in the Revolutions Series at the Manchester Velodrome.



Source: www.chichester.co.uk

Parliament to salute York City double Wembley triumph - The Press in York

Parliament to salute York City double Wembley triumph

YORK City’s double Wembley triumph has been saluted by politicians from across the UK – including those whose local teams were defeated by the Minstermen.

The Bootham Crescent outfit’s exploits at the famous stadium – which saw them seal promotion to the Football League eight days after winning the FA Trophy at the same venue last month – were marked by York Central MP Hugh Bayley tabling a motion calling for the House of Commons to congratulate the club on its achievements.

It has since been signed by 20 members from all parties, including one of Newport’s MPs whose side, Newport County, were defeated 2-0 by City in the Trophy final on May 12.

Mansfield MP Alan Meale also responded to Mr Bayley’s call to acknowledge City’s efforts, despite Mansfield Town being beaten by the Minstermen in the Blue Square Bet Premier play-off semi-final. The motion – which also mentions the securing of permission for a new community stadium at Monks Cross, which will be shared by the football club and York City Knights – has been supported by North Yorkshire MPs Julian Sturdy (York Outer) and Nigel Adams (Selby and Ainsty).

Mr Bayley’s motion read: “That this House congratulates York City Football Club on its two outstandingly successful victories at Wembley in May 2012 to win the FA Trophy and promotion to the Football League, welcomes the proposal to build a new community stadium in York and wishes the club every success in its first season back in the Football League.”

Paul Flynn, who represents Newport West and signed the motion, said: “Both Newport and York supporters shared a glorious day in London, and although it was rather more glorious for York, it was a very happy occasion.

“There was genuine feeling of goodwill towards York City from our fans.”

Mr Bayley said: “It was hugely important for York City to get back into the Football League.

“I felt it was worth marking this achievement, and it shows brilliant generosity of spirit for Paul Flynn and Alan Meale to sign the motion, which was a very sporting gesture.”

Comments(12)

Even AndyD says...
9:00am Tue 5 Jun 12

Hmm...even as a City fan I think this is rather strange. Even AndyD

Alf Garnett says...
9:01am Tue 5 Jun 12

Mr Bayley said: “It was hugely important for York City to get back into the Football League." Alf Garnett

Alf Garnett says...
9:12am Tue 5 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Mr Bayley said: “It was hugely important for York City to get back into the Football League."[/p][/quote]Didn't get my comment in. Question: what has this to do with Parliament ? It's a game for goodness sake. It makes little or no difference to a city or town financially. Liverpool's success as a team coincided with absolutely dire economic conditions in the city. Leeds has a poor team but a very successful economy. Bristol has a buoyant economy but poor football. Whether or not a city prospers has nothing to do with sporting prowess. There are studies from the USA which show that major sports venues can actually have a negative regenerative effect. York will do well because of all sorts of factors but football won't be one of them. Alf Garnett

Thisisme says...
9:30am Tue 5 Jun 12

I think you may find this is a move by our MP to secure the planning permission for the stadium and send out a message that it 'shouldn't be called in'. Thisisme

Even AndyD says...
9:54am Tue 5 Jun 12

Alf Garnett wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Mr Bayley said: “It was hugely important for York City to get back into the Football League."
Didn't get my comment in. Question: what has this to do with Parliament ? It's a game for goodness sake. It makes little or no difference to a city or town financially. Liverpool's success as a team coincided with absolutely dire economic conditions in the city. Leeds has a poor team but a very successful economy. Bristol has a buoyant economy but poor football. Whether or not a city prospers has nothing to do with sporting prowess. There are studies from the USA which show that major sports venues can actually have a negative regenerative effect. York will do well because of all sorts of factors but football won't be one of them.
I agree its a pointless exercise in terms of the parliament thing, but I don't agree with you re th value of football. It is surely about more than just the financial. It cements identity, it brings people together under a common banner, its part of a town/city's identity.

When I went to University, the first thing we talked about was football, its how we started to find common ground and make friends. If you think of Liverpool, you don't think of their biggest industry, you think of the Beatles or Liverpool FC.

My father-in-law has led a full life, been a company director, sat on the odd government committee and done lots of things. But one of his most abiding memories is watching York in the 1955 FA Cup semi-final. Sport is like that; it gives us highs and lows without the 'real' life danger.

Football can also be an outlet and an escape from life. In Liverpool, they have certainly needed that and a feeling of pride over the years.

Not got all the stats for the finances, but I think that clubs must bring some economic gain. Man U's turnover is about £100m for a start. Nobody is saying clubs are the mainstay of the local economy, but they are an important part of the community.

But like I say above - I don't really think YCFC achievements need a rather sycophantic recognition thing in parliament.
[quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Mr Bayley said: “It was hugely important for York City to get back into the Football League."[/p][/quote]Didn't get my comment in. Question: what has this to do with Parliament ? It's a game for goodness sake. It makes little or no difference to a city or town financially. Liverpool's success as a team coincided with absolutely dire economic conditions in the city. Leeds has a poor team but a very successful economy. Bristol has a buoyant economy but poor football. Whether or not a city prospers has nothing to do with sporting prowess. There are studies from the USA which show that major sports venues can actually have a negative regenerative effect. York will do well because of all sorts of factors but football won't be one of them.[/p][/quote]I agree its a pointless exercise in terms of the parliament thing, but I don't agree with you re th value of football. It is surely about more than just the financial. It cements identity, it brings people together under a common banner, its part of a town/city's identity. When I went to University, the first thing we talked about was football, its how we started to find common ground and make friends. If you think of Liverpool, you don't think of their biggest industry, you think of the Beatles or Liverpool FC. My father-in-law has led a full life, been a company director, sat on the odd government committee and done lots of things. But one of his most abiding memories is watching York in the 1955 FA Cup semi-final. Sport is like that; it gives us highs and lows without the 'real' life danger. Football can also be an outlet and an escape from life. In Liverpool, they have certainly needed that and a feeling of pride over the years. Not got all the stats for the finances, but I think that clubs must bring some economic gain. Man U's turnover is about £100m for a start. Nobody is saying clubs are the mainstay of the local economy, but they are an important part of the community. But like I say above - I don't really think YCFC achievements need a rather sycophantic recognition thing in parliament. Even AndyD

TerryYork says...
12:29pm Tue 5 Jun 12

[quote][p][bold]Thisisme[/bold] wrote: I think you may find this is a move by our MP to secure the planning permission for the stadium and send out a message that it 'shouldn't be called in'.[/p][/quote]Ah good. While it would be crazy for it to be called it based on the tiny handful of people against it, that explains this all much better. Nice touch by the Newport and Mansfield MPs too. Onwards and upwards! TerryYork

bloodaxe says...
12:42pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Even AndyD wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Alf Garnett wrote:
Mr Bayley said: “It was hugely important for York City to get back into the Football League."
Didn't get my comment in. Question: what has this to do with Parliament ? It's a game for goodness sake. It makes little or no difference to a city or town financially. Liverpool's success as a team coincided with absolutely dire economic conditions in the city. Leeds has a poor team but a very successful economy. Bristol has a buoyant economy but poor football. Whether or not a city prospers has nothing to do with sporting prowess. There are studies from the USA which show that major sports venues can actually have a negative regenerative effect. York will do well because of all sorts of factors but football won't be one of them.
I agree its a pointless exercise in terms of the parliament thing, but I don't agree with you re th value of football. It is surely about more than just the financial. It cements identity, it brings people together under a common banner, its part of a town/city's identity.

When I went to University, the first thing we talked about was football, its how we started to find common ground and make friends. If you think of Liverpool, you don't think of their biggest industry, you think of the Beatles or Liverpool FC.

My father-in-law has led a full life, been a company director, sat on the odd government committee and done lots of things. But one of his most abiding memories is watching York in the 1955 FA Cup semi-final. Sport is like that; it gives us highs and lows without the 'real' life danger.

Football can also be an outlet and an escape from life. In Liverpool, they have certainly needed that and a feeling of pride over the years.

Not got all the stats for the finances, but I think that clubs must bring some economic gain. Man U's turnover is about £100m for a start. Nobody is saying clubs are the mainstay of the local economy, but they are an important part of the community.

But like I say above - I don't really think YCFC achievements need a rather sycophantic recognition thing in parliament.
I went to university and didn't talk about football at all. Most of the sport talk was Rugby Union. As for giving a sense of identity, I don't think that York is lacking in a sense of identity. It's one of those cities, like Paris, New York or Moscow, where there is actually an image in the mind when the name is mentioned. As for the viability of Manchester United, there are two points. The first is that it is exceptional in its turnover. The second is that it does have huge debts loaded onto it. Many big clubs, with the exception of Arsenal just have huge debts and without the beneficence of an overseas owner would find themselves in the sorry plight of Rangers. Now there is a club which imparts identity but is it the sort of identity with which you would wish to be associated ?
[quote][p][bold]Even AndyD[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Alf Garnett[/bold] wrote: Mr Bayley said: “It was hugely important for York City to get back into the Football League."[/p][/quote]Didn't get my comment in. Question: what has this to do with Parliament ? It's a game for goodness sake. It makes little or no difference to a city or town financially. Liverpool's success as a team coincided with absolutely dire economic conditions in the city. Leeds has a poor team but a very successful economy. Bristol has a buoyant economy but poor football. Whether or not a city prospers has nothing to do with sporting prowess. There are studies from the USA which show that major sports venues can actually have a negative regenerative effect. York will do well because of all sorts of factors but football won't be one of them.[/p][/quote]I agree its a pointless exercise in terms of the parliament thing, but I don't agree with you re th value of football. It is surely about more than just the financial. It cements identity, it brings people together under a common banner, its part of a town/city's identity. When I went to University, the first thing we talked about was football, its how we started to find common ground and make friends. If you think of Liverpool, you don't think of their biggest industry, you think of the Beatles or Liverpool FC. My father-in-law has led a full life, been a company director, sat on the odd government committee and done lots of things. But one of his most abiding memories is watching York in the 1955 FA Cup semi-final. Sport is like that; it gives us highs and lows without the 'real' life danger. Football can also be an outlet and an escape from life. In Liverpool, they have certainly needed that and a feeling of pride over the years. Not got all the stats for the finances, but I think that clubs must bring some economic gain. Man U's turnover is about £100m for a start. Nobody is saying clubs are the mainstay of the local economy, but they are an important part of the community. But like I say above - I don't really think YCFC achievements need a rather sycophantic recognition thing in parliament.[/p][/quote]I went to university and didn't talk about football at all. Most of the sport talk was Rugby Union. As for giving a sense of identity, I don't think that York is lacking in a sense of identity. It's one of those cities, like Paris, New York or Moscow, where there is actually an image in the mind when the name is mentioned. As for the viability of Manchester United, there are two points. The first is that it is exceptional in its turnover. The second is that it does have huge debts loaded onto it. Many big clubs, with the exception of Arsenal just have huge debts and without the beneficence of an overseas owner would find themselves in the sorry plight of Rangers. Now there is a club which imparts identity but is it the sort of identity with which you would wish to be associated ? bloodaxe

Even AndyD says...
12:55pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Bloodaxe:

I don't think York lacks a sense of identity, that is not what I meant at all. I said that having a football team adds to a town's city's sense of identity. Liverpool is a very good example, but I think that given football is our national sport, many people do judge the size/importance of a place partly based on whether it has a 'team'.

You may not have talked football at university, I did! Its also debated all over our nation - on the Press forums, I think you'll agree it is the most discussed topic, even more that affordable housing! For some reason YCFC topics tend to be top of the most discussed - and this is just for a small L2 team.

I agree re the debts, buyers as you rightly say are either throwing personal wealth at clubs, or loading them with debt. It is something FIFA are looking to remedy, but I'm not holding my breath. Similarly I agree re the Rangers/Celtic thing; it is just poison as far as I am concerned and no, wouldn't want to associate with that. That said, I've never been to an old firm game, so perhaps I'm being unfair. There must be some genuine fans there too.
Bloodaxe: I don't think York lacks a sense of identity, that is not what I meant at all. I said that having a football team adds to a town's city's sense of identity. Liverpool is a very good example, but I think that given football is our national sport, many people do judge the size/importance of a place partly based on whether it has a 'team'. You may not have talked football at university, I did! Its also debated all over our nation - on the Press forums, I think you'll agree it is the most discussed topic, even more that affordable housing! For some reason YCFC topics tend to be top of the most discussed - and this is just for a small L2 team. I agree re the debts, buyers as you rightly say are either throwing personal wealth at clubs, or loading them with debt. It is something FIFA are looking to remedy, but I'm not holding my breath. Similarly I agree re the Rangers/Celtic thing; it is just poison as far as I am concerned and no, wouldn't want to associate with that. That said, I've never been to an old firm game, so perhaps I'm being unfair. There must be some genuine fans there too. Even AndyD

RooBeck says...
5:17pm Tue 5 Jun 12

What about a Cabinet "heavyweight" signing-up?! Vince Cable is on record as a lifelong City fan and his hero was none other than the late, great Arthur Bottom! Also, where is the Thirsk, Malton & Filey MP, Anne McIntosh? Her constituency borders that of Outer York - will she sign-up too?! Then there's David Cameron's father-in-law who has a country pile near York - can they both be converted into City fans too, you never know they may have discussed the game of Association Football in the dining halls of Eton and Magdalen College, Oxford, as well as that game with 15 players?!! Before we know it, we could be building a mini-Olympic Park at Monks Cross!! PS. Let's not upset Eric Pickles, he's a big Bradford City fan, so, we don't want to be playing them until near the end of the season! COYR.
What about a Cabinet "heavyweight" signing-up?! Vince Cable is on record as a lifelong City fan and his hero was none other than the late, great Arthur Bottom! Also, where is the Thirsk, Malton & Filey MP, Anne McIntosh? Her constituency borders that of Outer York - will she sign-up too?! Then there's David Cameron's father-in-law who has a country pile near York - can they both be converted into City fans too, you never know they may have discussed the game of Association Football in the dining halls of Eton and Magdalen College, Oxford, as well as that game with 15 players?!! Before we know it, we could be building a mini-Olympic Park at Monks Cross!! PS. Let's not upset Eric Pickles, he's a big Bradford City fan, so, we don't want to be playing them until near the end of the season! COYR. RooBeck

Even AndyD says...
5:29pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Forgot Pickles was a Bradford fan. That might help, unless as you say we stick six past them on the opening day.... :-) Even AndyD

piaggio1 says...
10:05pm Tue 5 Jun 12

Most of the sport talk was Rugby Union.??? strange game,!!! should have played the OTHER code piaggio1

nearlyman says...
10:31pm Tue 5 Jun 12

I am as happy as any other football fan in York about the seasons success but this is a snivelling waste of parliamentary time..............wh at a creepy crawly bit of shameless attempted populism.........let s see what happens when the city tiddly winks team gets a promotion. nearlyman

Source: www.yorkpress.co.uk

Historical society treasures found in weird situations - LIVING LAKE COUNTRY

The Sussex-Lisbon Area Historical Society has a collection of local history that is nearing 200 three-ring binders that include thousands of photographs, letters, post cards, newspaper clippings, brochures and other research material. All the information about Sussex, Lisbon and Lannon is mounted, labeled and sorted in these binders which form the research arm of the society and museum.

Recently, there was a two-day crescendo of donated items found under rather odd circumstances. The first one was found hidden in a wall of a garage that was being dismantled in Pewaukee. The second was saved by an alert volunteer who was donating her time to the upcoming St. James annual rummage sale. This series of items was headed to the Dumpster.

The first find was by Dennis Carlson who lives on Weyer Road in Pewaukee. He had demolished a garage on his property and in the walls there was a pack of paper goods that was associated with the Zion United Church of Christ and Village of Sussex.

He tried to look it up and found no leads so he asked his neighbor Sussex Deputy Fire Chief Cathy Selerski if she knew anything about a Zion church in Sussex. She told Carlson to contact the historical society.

A representative of the historical society and museum contacted Carlson and told him that the Zion Church was the forerunner of today's Lisbon Redeemer United Church of Christ on Town Line Road.

There were a series of letters and other items from the 1950s with the most important item being a hand-covered bound ledger that listed all the members of the Sussex church and their contributions to the church in 1953. Lisbon farmer and town trustee Theodore R. Siewert was the church treasurer. The big contributions were $40 per year.

Siewert who lives off Jay Lane and his son, Ted Jr., had a bit of Lisbon history as both served as Lisbon trustees and were famous for discovering murder victim and mobster, Jack Enea in 1955. Enea's body was dumped on Plainview Road in Lisbon.

The Zion Evangelical Church was founded in Sussex in 1888-89. It closed down in 1968-71 as it moved to the Town Lind Road location and became Redeemer Church. Today the old Zion Church in downtown Sussex is a flower shop.

Now the second series of items was found by Sussex resident Katie Wierl. She was a volunteer preparing items for the church rummage. While going through items donated she came across a box of old Menomonee Falls newspapers dating from 1966-76. Apparently the donation of the papers was from the extended Rudy Dubnicka family. It told of Hamilton sports happenings and most notably Lannon Land O'Lakes baseball. Dubnicka was a LOL Hall of Fame Lannon player and manager during those years.

The old newspapers were deemed worthless and were headed to the trash when Wierl intercepted them and thought the museum should go through them. Found in the newspapers was a July 1970 set of clippings for current Village President Greg Goetz. He was a star pitcher for Hamilton on a conference championship team that was headed to state.

There was also an Aug. 31, 1972 clipping of current Sussex Fire Chief Corky Curtis as a returning veteran of the Hamilton Cross Country team.

However, the most memorable item involved Dubnicka and the Lannon baseball team being host to a visit by then sitting Wisconsin Gov. Warren P. Knowles and his assemblage of fellow politicians at the opening game and new dugout dedication on May 9, 1966. Gov. Knowles gave a speech as he was invited to throw out the opening pitch. Lannon had a "publicity chairman" George Banton who had invited the Governor to be present for the kick off of the 1966 LOL baseball season.


Source: www.livinglakecountry.com

Sussex squad announced with Horsham festival set to begin - wscountytimes.co.uk

Sussex Cricket Club have announced their squad for the LV=County Championship clash with neighbours Surrey, which begins at Horsham Cricket Club tomorrow (11am start).

The match forms part of the annual Horsham Festival of Cricket, which also includes the Clydesdale Bank 40 encounter with Derbyshire Falcons on Sunday, and hoping to impress on his old stomping ground after missing out last year will be home favourite Chris Nash.

The complete Sussex sqaud is: Amjad Khan, James Anyon, Ben Brown, Joe Gatting, Murray Goodwin, Naveed Arif Gondal, Ed Joyce, Steve Magoffin, Chris Nash, Monty Panesar, Luke Wells, Luke Wright, Michael Yardy (capt).

The hosts are currently three points above Surrey in the LV=CC Division One table, with both sides having a similar playing record so far this campaign, and Sussex have named an unchanged squad from their recent clash with Middlesex at Lord’s.

Surrey can name two former Sussex players in their squad in the shape of Rory Hamilton-Brown, who will captain the side, and Tim Linley.



Source: www.wscountytimes.co.uk

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